1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,960 Previously on L .A. Law. 2 00:00:02,180 --> 00:00:05,190 I had dinner last night with Ken Feldman. Who's Ken Feldman? 3 00:00:05,460 --> 00:00:07,380 Executive producer of The Thunup Show. 4 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:12,039 And he asked me to see if you might be interested in becoming their full -time 5 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:13,400 legal segment reporter. 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,920 Me? I think with you on our team, The Thunup Show could kick some serious ass. 7 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:21,680 Tell me about Brooks Statman. 8 00:00:21,820 --> 00:00:24,170 Brooks, huh? What can I tell you about Brooks? 9 00:00:24,171 --> 00:00:25,879 You know, what you see is what you get. 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,810 He's a good anchor. He's got a good mind. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,340 He's a man's man. 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,120 What does he feel about me? 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,559 First of all, Arnie, Brooks Tappman is not the boss of the setup show. Okay, 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,559 second of all, I got to believe that you two guys are going to hit it off big 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,800 time. So what do you think of Ken Feldman? He seems all right. 16 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,419 Basically, he's a network guy. And the network is trying to cut our operating 17 00:00:47,420 --> 00:00:48,470 costs to the bone. 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,050 Who are you? 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,960 Who else could it be, dear? 20 00:00:57,260 --> 00:01:00,240 I'm shocked you didn't expect me. I expected you. 21 00:01:00,460 --> 00:01:03,180 You wouldn't dare shoot if I stay passive. 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:05,770 Wrong. 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,059 I'm pleased to announce that no charges will be filed against Tommy Mullaney in 24 00:01:16,060 --> 00:01:18,230 the self -defense shooting of John Harvey. 25 00:01:18,340 --> 00:01:22,200 That must be a relief. Yeah. I am so surprised they even considered it. 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:23,890 Thanks, guys. 27 00:01:24,011 --> 00:01:31,839 Miss Lamb, the United States government is deeply saddened by what happened to 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,890 your client's wife. 29 00:01:32,891 --> 00:01:36,719 Is that why you're trying to shut us up? Why you had a slap at the gag order the 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,619 day we filed? 31 00:01:37,620 --> 00:01:39,730 I thought we were here to talk settlement. 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,420 All right, what's your offer? 33 00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:43,600 A hundred thousand. That's insulting. 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,979 No admission of liability, the case stays sealed. And nobody will ever know 35 00:01:47,980 --> 00:01:49,600 happened to Catherine Phillips. 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,920 Forget it. You're obligated to discuss this with your client. 37 00:01:53,220 --> 00:01:54,270 Oh, I will. 38 00:01:54,620 --> 00:01:56,680 And he'll be as disgusted as I am. 39 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,580 You put Luis Federo, a dangerous criminal, into your witness protection 40 00:02:02,820 --> 00:02:06,519 You locate him in a residential neighborhood where he brutally murders 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,320 innocent woman. And now you offer her husband $100 ,000 to buy him off. 42 00:02:12,140 --> 00:02:14,280 You people are really something. 43 00:02:14,281 --> 00:02:17,359 Before you reject this, I'd think about a few things. 44 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,279 Such as? 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,520 The national interest. 46 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:24,019 We're fighting a war against drugs, Miss Lamb. The witness protection program is 47 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:25,070 a vital weapon. 48 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,980 We'd appreciate your cooperation. 49 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:31,589 I don't believe I'm hearing this. We do not appreciate people who work against 50 00:02:31,590 --> 00:02:34,660 our interests. One like you could have immigration problems. 51 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:38,190 And then there's your unorthodox lifestyle. 52 00:02:38,730 --> 00:02:40,010 Is that a threat? 53 00:02:41,010 --> 00:02:42,060 Not at all. 54 00:02:43,350 --> 00:02:45,030 I'm merely pointing out the facts. 55 00:02:45,930 --> 00:02:48,710 The system works best when we all work together. 56 00:02:51,010 --> 00:02:52,350 Let's get something clear. 57 00:02:53,610 --> 00:02:56,010 My client is not going to be bought off. 58 00:02:56,650 --> 00:02:58,850 And I am not going to be scared off. 59 00:02:58,851 --> 00:03:02,789 Catherine Phillips is dead because of the government's negligence. And you are 60 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:04,230 going to be held accountable. 61 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:08,460 Where is Tommy Mullaney? He's running late, according to his assistant. 62 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:10,360 For the second time? This week. 63 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:15,859 Next up, James Phillips versus United States of America. Did I hear rumblings 64 00:05:15,860 --> 00:05:16,499 a settlement? 65 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:17,550 We turned them down. 66 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:18,800 Are you out of your mind? 67 00:05:18,980 --> 00:05:20,240 I agree with her, Douglas. 68 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:22,420 The government didn't supervise Vedero. 69 00:05:22,421 --> 00:05:26,099 This case is worth at least ten times their offer. But they're claiming 70 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:28,059 immunity. You know they're going to beat this. 71 00:05:28,060 --> 00:05:30,899 But if there's gross negligence, you can get around immunity. 72 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:32,940 Maybe. Can you get Vedero to testify? 73 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,250 No. 74 00:05:34,251 --> 00:05:37,799 He pled guilty to the murder. He's in prison now and he won't cooperate. 75 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,739 The government's moved to dismiss against us, but the judge wants a full 76 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:42,920 hearing. Doesn't matter. The case is a loser. 77 00:05:42,921 --> 00:05:46,779 If we accept the government's offer, Douglas, we'll be telling them it's okay 78 00:05:46,780 --> 00:05:50,559 conduct business any damn way they choose, regardless of the consequences. 79 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,820 I admire your principles. 80 00:05:51,980 --> 00:05:53,700 It's your judgment I question. 81 00:05:53,701 --> 00:05:57,539 Well, let's bear in mind that there's a gag order in place here. Not a word of 82 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:58,800 this is to leave the room? 83 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,960 Underscored. We can't afford the fines. 84 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,040 Moving along. Excuse me, but you wanted to know when Arnie was on. 85 00:06:05,041 --> 00:06:06,299 It's today? 86 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:09,430 Oh, yeah, he's going to keep on debuting until he gets it right. 87 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:11,340 Arnold Coast to Coast. 88 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:12,880 It's a terrifying thought. 89 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,050 I'll say. 90 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,019 Here's the place to be. We'll have a live report in half an hour. That's it 91 00:06:19,020 --> 00:06:20,070 the news. Brooks? 92 00:06:20,071 --> 00:06:21,279 Thanks, Kelly. 93 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:25,219 And now we're pleased to welcome attorney Arnold Becker, who will be 94 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:29,699 demystifying the legal process for us. Arnie, it's good to have you here. Good 95 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:30,719 to be here, Brooks. 96 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,219 He's such a natural. But I think most of us would rather go to the dentist than 97 00:06:34,220 --> 00:06:35,400 a lawyer. Why is that? 98 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:39,879 Well, most people only think that you go to a dentist when you're in pain or go 99 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,419 to a lawyer when you're in trouble. 100 00:06:41,420 --> 00:06:46,059 Except really, a lawyer can quite often be a preventative to trouble. But it's 101 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:49,839 not just that, is it? It's also a question of ethics. Well, there is a 102 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:52,879 perception that some attorneys act more in their own best interest than their 103 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,399 clients. Dragging out a case with endless depositions to increase billable 104 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,059 hours. Star lawyers, more interested in promoting themselves than their client's 105 00:07:02,060 --> 00:07:03,110 case. Exactly. 106 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:08,559 And yet you yourself released a videocassette, didn't you? Arnold 107 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,700 -it -yourself divorce. 108 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,920 Yes, I did. 109 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:17,799 Precisely because I wanted to reach out to people who normally don't go to the 110 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,850 lawyers. 111 00:07:19,159 --> 00:07:23,879 Legal service has increasingly become a privilege of the rich, and I wanted to 112 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,359 provide a service to the disenfranchised middle class. Maybe you should just 113 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:29,520 lower your fees. 114 00:07:31,180 --> 00:07:32,680 I'll keep that in mind, Brooks. 115 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:36,459 And we'll be back after a second. I haven't seen this kind of report since 116 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:37,510 and Cher. 117 00:08:06,551 --> 00:08:13,459 Nice work, Ernie. What was all that stuff about my video? That wasn't in the 118 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:15,510 script. No, I like to keep it spontaneous. 119 00:08:15,511 --> 00:08:19,299 A little conflict gooses the ratings, and we brought you in to be provocative, 120 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:21,710 right? You didn't think I was serious, did you? 121 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:25,580 No, no, of course not. Good. I knew we were going to have fun together. 122 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,330 It was about 11 o 'clock on a Sunday night. 123 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 We had just been out to dinner, and Kathy said... Your wife. 124 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:32,950 Yes. 125 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,610 Kathy said that she needed some money for the week. 126 00:08:36,659 --> 00:08:38,640 So we stopped in a... 127 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:43,200 driving cash machine, and I didn't even see the guy at first. 128 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,380 But when I reached for the money, he was there. 129 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:51,060 He had a gun, and I could tell that he was loaded on something. 130 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,960 Well, I talked to him. I told him not to panic, that he could have every cent. 131 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,260 And then what happened, Mr. Phillips? 132 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,170 He shot me. 133 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:04,120 In the chest. 134 00:09:06,990 --> 00:09:08,390 The pain was unbelievable. 135 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:15,390 I guess I blacked out. And when I came to, 136 00:09:15,530 --> 00:09:17,950 I heard Kathy screaming. 137 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:23,210 She was begging for him to stop. 138 00:09:24,270 --> 00:09:27,110 I tried to get out of the car, but I couldn't move. 139 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:31,770 He was hurting her, and I was totally helpless. 140 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:33,630 And then what happened? 141 00:09:33,930 --> 00:09:36,110 I pulled myself up and... 142 00:09:39,150 --> 00:09:40,330 I fell on the horn. 143 00:09:44,230 --> 00:09:45,330 That was all I could do. 144 00:09:46,890 --> 00:09:49,660 I don't know how long it was before the police got there. 145 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:53,810 I just remember a paramedic telling me that I was lucky. 146 00:09:54,630 --> 00:09:55,680 I was going to be okay. 147 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:57,040 And your wife? 148 00:09:59,070 --> 00:10:00,120 She was dead. 149 00:10:01,830 --> 00:10:03,090 He beat her to death. 150 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:08,450 He crushed her skull. 151 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:13,390 Her face was unrecognizable. And he'd raped her? 152 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:15,200 Yes. 153 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:17,680 The police apprehended the man that night? 154 00:10:17,890 --> 00:10:24,289 Yes. They caught him trying to sell a gold bracelet that I had given Kathy for 155 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:25,340 our anniversary. 156 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:30,710 I identified him the next day. 157 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:32,870 Were you notified of a trial date? 158 00:10:32,871 --> 00:10:36,669 Yeah. The D .A. told me that they had everything they needed to send him to 159 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:37,720 gas chamber. 160 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:39,510 Objection. Hearsay. Call the law. 161 00:10:39,511 --> 00:10:43,149 And then all of a sudden they're telling me there's not going to be any trial. 162 00:10:43,150 --> 00:10:44,169 Why was that? 163 00:10:44,170 --> 00:10:45,769 Because of the federal government. 164 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:50,430 Vedero testified for them in some big drug trials back east, and they owed 165 00:10:51,910 --> 00:10:53,590 Next thing I knew, Vedero was gone. 166 00:10:54,030 --> 00:10:55,080 Thank you. 167 00:11:01,930 --> 00:11:02,980 Mr. Phillips. 168 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,080 Let me say how genuinely sorry we all are for the loss you suffered. 169 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:08,350 Oh, that's great. 170 00:11:08,380 --> 00:11:09,760 I can understand your anger. 171 00:11:09,761 --> 00:11:13,939 When someone you love has been the victim of random violence, it helps to 172 00:11:13,940 --> 00:11:16,179 someone to blame. No, you're not getting off the hook that easy. 173 00:11:16,180 --> 00:11:19,119 The man who committed the crime is being punished, isn't he? 174 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,439 He pleaded guilty and he's serving a life sentence without the possibility of 175 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,000 parole. In a private cell with a stereo and a VCR. 176 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,430 Mr. Federo is in solitary confinement for his own protection. 177 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,770 And what about her? 178 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,460 She's the U .S. attorney, for God's sake. She put Madero in the program. 179 00:11:35,461 --> 00:11:40,239 She was supposed to make sure they were watching him. Mr. Phillips, neither Miss 180 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,399 Copeland nor the United States government is responsible for the death 181 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,450 wife. No. 182 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:45,900 She knew what he was. 183 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:49,750 She did not do her job. Your Honor. No, I'm sick of you trying to shut me up. 184 00:11:49,820 --> 00:11:52,940 Mr. Phillips, please. No, that animal beat my wife to death. 185 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,100 He killed her with his bare hands. 186 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:57,060 How can you let that happen? 187 00:11:57,940 --> 00:12:00,220 How can you do that to innocent people? 188 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,700 Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. 189 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:17,140 It's been two years since my last confession. 190 00:12:18,620 --> 00:12:20,120 And what are your sins, my son? 191 00:12:21,260 --> 00:12:24,620 I, uh... I shot somebody. 192 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,520 And I killed him. 193 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,040 How come you're moving so fast? 194 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:40,860 I had a B andE at nine. Don't answer it. 195 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,399 I got two witnesses I haven't even met yet and one arresting officer out sick 196 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,450 with a kidney stone. 197 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:48,500 Can you do my zipper, please? 198 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,440 I'm praying to plead this one. I do not want to try this case. 199 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:54,110 Hey, Joe. 200 00:12:54,380 --> 00:12:57,000 When you get a minute, give me a call, please. Thanks. 201 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,410 When was the last time you talked to Tommy? 202 00:13:02,420 --> 00:13:04,120 Uh, last week. 203 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:06,460 He's been a little incommunicado lately. 204 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:07,840 No, it's more than that. 205 00:13:08,940 --> 00:13:10,320 Something's wrong with him. 206 00:13:12,140 --> 00:13:16,239 What do you mean? Well, he's been agitated at work, missing court 207 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,290 since. 208 00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:18,470 You know. 209 00:13:18,471 --> 00:13:22,159 Damn, I don't see how you can still sleep in this room. Wait, wait, wait. 210 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,119 Agitated how? 211 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,170 Short temper. 212 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,530 Erratic. 213 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:29,530 If you ask me, I think he could use a little professional help. 214 00:13:29,531 --> 00:13:33,119 Jim, I'm only in New York for a half a week. I have to have another researcher 215 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,190 for this interview. I can't just... Oh, hold on. I got another call. 216 00:13:36,980 --> 00:13:38,030 Hello? 217 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,680 Yeah, Gwen, I'm on... What? 218 00:13:39,681 --> 00:13:43,079 No, no, no, I can't depose then. I've got a settlement conference. 219 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,980 Okay, okay, hold on, hold on. 220 00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:52,460 Why don't you switch the Markham to Friday at 11, dump Dryburg to Thursday 221 00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:56,550 and see if you can't juggle the Monday schedule somehow to accommodate Lawton. 222 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,660 Great. Okay, thank you. 223 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:00,970 Jim, yeah. 224 00:14:00,971 --> 00:14:03,479 Listen, I'm going to have to move that wardrobe meeting to Wednesday. Something 225 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,239 just came up. 226 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,040 Right. Ah, thank you. 227 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:07,660 Okay, bye -bye. 228 00:14:09,939 --> 00:14:12,889 Which do you like better, the jade or the teal? I don't care. 229 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,130 Either one's fine. 230 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,960 You must have some preference. 231 00:14:15,961 --> 00:14:18,559 Rox, I really don't have time for this right now. 232 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:22,159 Right. Like you didn't have time to look at wallpaper for the den, so now you 233 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,210 make gagging noises every time you go in. 234 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,420 Arnie, we both live here. We both have to make these decisions. 235 00:14:28,421 --> 00:14:31,799 Rox, in two days I have to do a major interview. I'm not Phil Donahue. I can't 236 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,279 pull this stuff out of thin air. 237 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,720 And I can't afford to screw up. 238 00:14:38,180 --> 00:14:42,599 Arnold Becker and his debut is so stiff, someone should be drawing chalk lines 239 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,650 around his body. 240 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:45,940 One bad review. 241 00:14:45,941 --> 00:14:47,319 One is all it takes. 242 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,699 My God, in this business, they don't even give you a week. The sharks are 243 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:51,519 circling, there's blood in the water. 244 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,580 If I blow it again, I'm bone meal. Arnie, this is crazy. 245 00:14:55,450 --> 00:14:59,530 I only see you four days a week, and then for only an hour or two at most, 246 00:14:59,610 --> 00:15:01,850 you're not a boyfriend. You're a rumor. 247 00:15:01,851 --> 00:15:04,649 You think I like this? You think I enjoy spending three nights a week in a 248 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:07,929 hotel, eating all that great airline food, careening down Fifth Avenue with a 249 00:15:07,930 --> 00:15:09,050 kamikaze cab driver? 250 00:15:09,270 --> 00:15:11,130 Yes, I do think you like it. 251 00:15:11,550 --> 00:15:17,530 I think the crazier it gets, the more exciting, the more glamorous you find 252 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:19,400 That is ridiculous. 253 00:15:19,650 --> 00:15:21,190 That is so ridiculous. 254 00:15:22,330 --> 00:15:23,950 I gotta go. I'll see you tonight. 255 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:31,870 Arnie, the war on drugs isn't just some PR catchphrase. It's very real. 256 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:36,130 If we're going to win it, we need men like Luis Federo. There's no other way? 257 00:15:36,210 --> 00:15:41,969 Sometimes we get lucky. A wiretap or an informant's tip pays off. But in most 258 00:15:41,970 --> 00:15:45,669 cases, if we want a conviction, we need the testimony of someone who's been on 259 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:46,529 the inside. 260 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:49,150 This is an organization shrouded in secrecy. 261 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,420 Until Vedero, our ability to infiltrate was zero. 262 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,840 And with his testimony? 263 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:58,839 To date, we've secured the convictions of Rafael Ramirez, Cesar Rivera, and 264 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,239 Felix Quintana, three individuals responsible for importing and selling 265 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,520 million worth of cocaine a month in the United States. 266 00:16:06,521 --> 00:16:10,769 Short of offering him a new identity or relocation, was there any other means of 267 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:12,450 securing Videro's cooperation? 268 00:16:12,510 --> 00:16:17,130 In their own country, Colombian drug bosses think nothing of murdering 269 00:16:17,330 --> 00:16:21,000 judges, even a presidential candidate, anyone who dares to oppose them. 270 00:16:21,090 --> 00:16:24,340 Without protection, Videro would never have agreed to testify. 271 00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:27,490 I can't blame him. But in the end, Miss Copeland, you're... 272 00:16:27,491 --> 00:16:31,679 Turning out a hardened criminal on the street. Every participant in the program 273 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,960 knows that their protection stops if they commit a crime. 274 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:37,950 But there's still the risk. It's the lesser of two evils. 275 00:16:38,260 --> 00:16:41,879 Drugs and organized crime are out of control in this country. The public 276 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,080 action. We're being forced to take calculated risks. Like Luis Federo. 277 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,320 Yes. Thank you. 278 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:51,270 Calculated risk. 279 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,140 Robbery, drug possession, aggravated assault. 280 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,330 Armed robbery? 281 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,360 Rape? This is the record of a violent criminal. 282 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:06,259 Wasn't Federo about to be charged with manslaughter when he cut this deal with 283 00:17:06,260 --> 00:17:08,119 you? Hadn't he beaten a man to death? 284 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:09,380 A rival drug dealer. 285 00:17:09,619 --> 00:17:10,740 A human being. 286 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,338 You let him out and he murdered again in the same way. Only this time it was an 287 00:17:16,339 --> 00:17:20,599 innocent woman, wasn't it? Luis Federo is not some serial killer. 288 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,529 He went through hours of psychological testing before he was admitted into the 289 00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:28,210 program, and he passed all of them. What did these tests measure? 290 00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:31,060 His ability to cope with loneliness and isolation. 291 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:35,269 That's it? These are critical problems facing a new... Did you measure the 292 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:37,980 likelihood that he'd commit another violent crime? 293 00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:39,400 Not directly. 294 00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:42,400 You really didn't care about his psychological profile. 295 00:17:42,430 --> 00:17:45,320 Objection. Or his record. Objection. Or his violent nature. 296 00:17:45,730 --> 00:17:46,780 Sustained. 297 00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:51,390 All that mattered to you was Vadero's testimony in your cases. 298 00:17:51,630 --> 00:17:53,490 He didn't even care about his drug use. 299 00:17:53,491 --> 00:17:57,209 Vadero was clean when he came into the program. Vadero was in custody when he 300 00:17:57,210 --> 00:18:02,569 came into your program. But six months later, a report was made to you by 301 00:18:02,570 --> 00:18:05,470 William Hobson, the U .S. Marshal supervising him. 302 00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:07,610 He caught Vedero using cocaine. 303 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:12,389 It was a small amount on one occasion. On one occasion that you knew of. But 304 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:14,449 it's still a crime, isn't it, Miss Copeland? 305 00:18:14,450 --> 00:18:18,369 According to your own rules, Vedero should have been thrown out of the 306 00:18:18,370 --> 00:18:20,790 We have discretion there. It's a judgment call. 307 00:18:20,791 --> 00:18:25,069 If we terminated an individual every time there's a minor infraction, there'd 308 00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:28,369 no one left in the program. If you'd terminated him, Catherine Phillips would 309 00:18:28,370 --> 00:18:31,909 still be alive, wouldn't she? There's no way we could have predicted he'd kill 310 00:18:31,910 --> 00:18:32,960 someone. Really? 311 00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:34,200 Miss Copeland? 312 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,779 You took a man with a terrifying history of drugs mixed with violence and 313 00:18:39,780 --> 00:18:45,039 murder. You gave him his freedom. You knew he was using drugs again. And you 314 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,639 you couldn't have predicted this? What did you think was going to happen? The 315 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,240 man self -destructed. Your man self -destructed, Miss Copeland. 316 00:18:54,220 --> 00:18:55,600 He was your man. 317 00:18:56,451 --> 00:19:02,999 Oh, this is a nightmare. I'm going to be playing catch -up all night. 318 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,680 All right, let me have the bad news. 319 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,940 Preston versus Camparsi. I took care of the filing on Monday. 320 00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:10,040 Well, good, good. 321 00:19:10,041 --> 00:19:11,399 Spencer versus Bacon? 322 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,299 I made sure the discovery deadlines were being satisfied, no problem. 323 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:17,199 Oh, God, Jack Terry is going to be livid. I haven't checked in with him in 324 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,439 weeks. He's fine. I make a point of it to call him once a week to give him an 325 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,490 update. 326 00:19:22,820 --> 00:19:23,870 Go ahead. 327 00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:25,070 Let's hear it. 328 00:19:25,071 --> 00:19:28,939 You're what? I'm presumptuous. I'm meddling. I'm impertinent. I'm taking 329 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:32,619 liberties. I'm overstepping my bounds. Except somebody has to, Arnie. You sure 330 00:19:32,620 --> 00:19:33,670 tell. Gwen. 331 00:19:34,420 --> 00:19:35,470 Thank you. 332 00:19:36,391 --> 00:19:38,419 Excuse me. 333 00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:40,979 You're right. I've been so frantic lately. I've been letting things slide. 334 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:42,300 You've been bailing me out. 335 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:43,830 Thank you. 336 00:19:44,580 --> 00:19:47,290 Who are you and what have you done with the real Arnie? 337 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,460 You've got a minute. 338 00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:56,280 Come in. 339 00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:59,030 I hear you've done some damage. 340 00:19:59,550 --> 00:20:00,600 Not enough. 341 00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:04,270 Do you still have friends at Justice? 342 00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:07,140 There are one or two people who don't hate my guts. 343 00:20:08,650 --> 00:20:09,850 Frank, I need your help. 344 00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:14,390 Stan, I was hoping you'd come by. 345 00:20:15,610 --> 00:20:17,960 I'd take a long, hard look at what you're doing. 346 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:20,490 It could have serious consequences. 347 00:20:20,491 --> 00:20:25,049 You're a little late. I've already been through this with Reisman. 348 00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:28,240 You're pointing out their imperfections. They don't like that. 349 00:20:28,241 --> 00:20:31,809 Well, they've already threatened to deport me as undesirable. What more can 350 00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:32,860 do? 351 00:20:33,070 --> 00:20:34,430 They won't do anything. 352 00:20:35,650 --> 00:20:39,369 But you might suddenly develop tax problems. The State Bar might receive 353 00:20:39,370 --> 00:20:41,549 complaints about your competence or your morals. 354 00:20:41,550 --> 00:20:43,990 And custody proceedings can be revisited. 355 00:20:43,991 --> 00:20:46,729 Well, I'm surprised you left the Justice Department. 356 00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:48,410 You sound like a true believer. 357 00:20:48,770 --> 00:20:49,820 I was. 358 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:51,730 Till I got in their way. 359 00:20:52,750 --> 00:20:54,530 It was only a minor cover -up. 360 00:20:55,550 --> 00:20:58,610 A small operation in Jersey welched on a defense contract. 361 00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:01,110 We had them dead -bang for fraud. 362 00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:06,049 But when I began to investigate, it became apparent that bribes had been 363 00:21:06,050 --> 00:21:07,910 some people rather high up in defense. 364 00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:10,620 Word came down for me to take my time on this one. 365 00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:13,150 Then the press found out somehow. 366 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:15,620 And I was fired. 367 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:17,890 I'm not backing off. 368 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:20,880 But, hey... 369 00:21:20,881 --> 00:21:23,979 Thanks for the warning. I understand why you can't help. 370 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:25,030 I didn't say that. 371 00:21:25,031 --> 00:21:30,659 When you worked for them, would you have gone to all this trouble to get me to 372 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:32,100 settle? Probably not. 373 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,530 Then why are they? 374 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:43,840 So you're feeding me, huh? 375 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:46,150 This is big. 376 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,810 You never made dinner when we were married. 377 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,620 How would you know? He never came home for us. 378 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:55,460 Oosh. Oosh. 379 00:21:57,380 --> 00:22:01,560 I gotta tell you, though, this brings it all back. 380 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,800 You sure as hell can't cook. 381 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,650 Mm -mm. 382 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,580 Word is you've been acting strange. 383 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,890 Word is? 384 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,470 Where did you hear this from? From Jonathan. You know where I heard it 385 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,400 You've been agitated at work, he says. 386 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,890 So do you think you should talk to somebody about this? Who? 387 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:39,600 Who am I going to go to but you? 388 00:22:39,601 --> 00:22:42,919 Well, then talk to me. No, no, you don't want to have this conversation. You 389 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,350 don't want to be saying out loud what happened that night. It was self 390 00:22:46,420 --> 00:22:49,610 Yeah, that's a good answer. I keep telling myself the same thing. 391 00:22:51,210 --> 00:22:56,149 I can almost believe it. The man pulled a gun on you. I made him pull the gun. I 392 00:22:56,150 --> 00:23:00,089 baited him. I forced him to draw the gun so I could put a bullet in him and call 393 00:23:00,090 --> 00:23:02,190 it self -defense. You know it. I know it. 394 00:23:04,670 --> 00:23:06,430 What I saw... Don't saw. 395 00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:08,560 Don't. 396 00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:16,870 You lying is only going to make me feel worse. 397 00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:20,030 Hey, I don't regret it. 398 00:23:20,031 --> 00:23:23,819 The psycho would have come back. He'd have been here to kill you. Same 399 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:25,500 all over. I'd do it again. 400 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:29,490 Then why are you beating yourself up about this? Because I killed somebody. 401 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,359 I hid in there with my gun, and I planned. I wasn't thinking about just 402 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:41,459 them or just getting them arrested. Only thing going through my mind was don't 403 00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:42,510 miss. 404 00:23:47,980 --> 00:23:49,480 I can't sleep so. 405 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,820 I'm like afraid to be alone with myself. 406 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:01,759 I know I did the best thing, Zoe. I've got to be able to live with 407 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:02,519 what I did. 408 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,700 Yeah, absolutely. 409 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,800 So why can't I? 410 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,690 Hey, Zoe? 411 00:24:33,620 --> 00:24:34,670 You up yet? 412 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:39,330 Listen, I'm going to drop off with stuff, and I'll just swing by 413 00:24:39,620 --> 00:24:40,670 Jonathan? 414 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,930 Jonathan? 415 00:24:44,260 --> 00:24:45,310 Jonathan? 416 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,450 Jonathan? 417 00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:50,960 Oh, God, this is great. 418 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,940 We're back with Arnold Becker, legal affairs correspondent, and his guest, 419 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,260 celebrated divorce attorney John Kaplan. 420 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,000 Arnie. Thank you, Brooks. 421 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:14,350 And thank you for being with us today, Mr. Kaplan. My pleasure. 422 00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:18,599 I think it's safe to say that all of us in family law respect and admire your 423 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,650 work in the field. 424 00:25:19,660 --> 00:25:22,460 At the same time, you are a controversial figure. 425 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,960 I should hope so. I've worked at it. 426 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:30,059 You represented Barbara Geller in her palimony action against financier Robert 427 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:34,769 McClure. Some people were dismayed at your tactics, particularly your public 428 00:25:34,770 --> 00:25:36,190 revelations of Mr. 429 00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:41,109 McClure's sexual peccadillos. Well, my tactics may have been in questionable 430 00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:46,509 taste, perhaps, but there was nothing unethical about them. If Mr. McClure was 431 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:52,209 so foolish as to be careless about his sexual indiscretions, he can't complain 432 00:25:52,210 --> 00:25:54,910 when it's used against him. He deserves what he gets. 433 00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:56,240 Arnie, may I? 434 00:25:56,410 --> 00:26:00,949 Mr. Kaplan, do you regard it as ethical for an attorney to have a sexual 435 00:26:00,950 --> 00:26:03,050 relationship with his client? 436 00:26:03,790 --> 00:26:08,709 Well, I certainly think it's ill -advised. But not unethical. A woman 437 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:14,110 trust in her attorney and he violates that trust for his own pleasure? 438 00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:17,010 What do you think, Arnie? 439 00:26:17,470 --> 00:26:23,549 I... can see how it might occur, but ultimately it does present a conflict of 440 00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:29,769 interest. Of course, in certain cases, I can see where it might be a violation 441 00:26:29,770 --> 00:26:34,349 of trust, as you put it. But didn't you, in fact, have just such a sexual 442 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:38,550 relationship with Barbara Geller? Not until after the trial. 443 00:26:38,790 --> 00:26:43,329 I have statements from a desk clerk at a hotel in Santa Barbara attesting to the 444 00:26:43,330 --> 00:26:49,699 fact. that you and Ms. Geller checked in there on May 11, 1989, three weeks into 445 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:50,599 the trial. 446 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,739 That was a strategy session. You stayed overnight in the same room. What kind of 447 00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:57,979 strategy were you discussing? That is none of anyone's business but mine and 448 00:26:57,980 --> 00:27:03,219 Geller's. And possibly the state bars? If a man is foolish enough to be 449 00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:08,200 about his indiscretions, doesn't he deserve what he gets? 450 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:10,750 You ambushed me. 451 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,560 I ambushed him. And you helped me. Well, why didn't you tell me? 452 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:16,800 It's made for better television. 453 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:18,110 We're a great team. 454 00:27:18,111 --> 00:27:21,339 You hold them in complacency, and I moved in for the kill. Except you come 455 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:23,619 as the great journalist. I look like an amateur. 456 00:27:23,620 --> 00:27:27,159 If that's what's best for the show. Yes. Don't get me wrong, Arnie. I like you. 457 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,039 But if I decide it's in the best interest of the show to deliver your 458 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,530 standing on one foot and whistling Dixie, you'll do it. Are we clear on 459 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,500 I owe you an apology. 460 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:41,990 You owe me nothing. 461 00:27:41,991 --> 00:27:48,339 Nothing happened, Jonathan. I was there because I was a mess over the shooting 462 00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:51,760 and I... I turned to Zoe. And she was there for you. 463 00:27:52,650 --> 00:27:57,749 It all worked out. But nothing happened. I crashed there. I slept there. Maybe I 464 00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:00,640 held on to her like a baby, but nothing physical happened. 465 00:28:00,641 --> 00:28:04,189 And she called to tell you last night you weren't picking up. Well, then it 466 00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:06,949 all just a misunderstanding then. Because if she had just told me, hey, 467 00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:09,749 Jonathan, I'm sleeping with my ex -husband tonight, then everything would 468 00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:14,990 great. Jonathan. Hey, don't. I want to be mature about this. 469 00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:19,130 I'm late. I got to go. 470 00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:28,799 Mr. Hobson, when did you first meet Luis Vedero? In 89, just after he came into 471 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,820 the program. I was U .S. Marshal assigned to supervise him. 472 00:28:31,821 --> 00:28:35,459 And what did that function entail? I found him an apartment, I helped him get 473 00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:38,540 furniture and phone service, and I helped him look for a job. 474 00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:41,660 In your estimation, was he making the adjustment? 475 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,780 At his ups and downs, he couldn't find a job, but, uh... 476 00:28:44,781 --> 00:28:47,909 Overall, he was doing pretty well. What about Miss Lamb's contention that the 477 00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:51,369 one drug incident should have alerted you that something more serious was 478 00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:51,929 to happen? 479 00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:53,929 Like he was going to go out and commit a murder? 480 00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:56,689 No way. You've got to understand the people in this program. 481 00:28:56,690 --> 00:29:00,510 Most of them have had lifestyles you wouldn't believe. Cars, money, women. 482 00:29:00,511 --> 00:29:04,009 Then suddenly they're alone, stuck in a suburb, bored out of their minds. 483 00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:05,330 Some guys will take a drink. 484 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:06,930 Videro did a little coke. 485 00:29:06,931 --> 00:29:09,749 That's not to say we ignored it. What action did you take? 486 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:11,049 We stepped up supervision. 487 00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:12,190 I had a talk with Videro. 488 00:29:12,390 --> 00:29:13,440 I told him. 489 00:29:13,441 --> 00:29:16,569 One more episode like that, and Miss Copeland will throw him out of the 490 00:29:16,570 --> 00:29:17,620 Thank you. 491 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:18,760 Your witness. 492 00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:20,630 No random testing. 493 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:22,030 No drug counseling. 494 00:29:22,031 --> 00:29:25,969 No. So you really thought a warning and increased supervision would be 495 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:29,889 sufficient? Without our protection, Vedero was a dead man, and he knew it. A 496 00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:33,749 strong incentive to stay clean. Yeah, but it wasn't enough, was it? He was 497 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:35,920 the night he murdered Catherine Phillips. 498 00:29:35,921 --> 00:29:37,709 Do you know where he got the drugs? 499 00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:39,949 No, not for sure. Do you know where he got the gun? 500 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,950 No. Mr. Hobson, you said you increased supervision. 501 00:29:42,951 --> 00:29:46,889 Just how closely were you watching him? Look, I've been doing this work for 15 502 00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:49,750 years. I supervise 60, 70 guys. I'm not a rookie. 503 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:56,310 Mr. Hobson, what does the name Cindy Black mean to you? 504 00:29:56,311 --> 00:29:59,769 Objection. Irrelevant. I will show relevance, Your Honor. Your Honor, this 505 00:29:59,770 --> 00:30:02,709 extremely sensitive information that threatens the security of the Witness 506 00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:03,760 Protection Program. 507 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:08,100 Overruled. You've got your gag order, Mr. Eastman. This courtroom is sealed. 508 00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:09,470 The witness will answer. 509 00:30:09,471 --> 00:30:13,819 Cindy Black was a prostitute. It's my understanding that Vedero was one of her 510 00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:17,190 clients. And you knew this because an informant told you, correct? 511 00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:19,540 I didn't ask you, Copeland. 512 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,170 I asked you. 513 00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:25,820 Why did your informant tell you about Luis Vedero and Cindy Black? 514 00:30:25,821 --> 00:30:28,139 Because Cindy Black was murdered. 515 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,819 In fact, she was beaten to death, wasn't she? Your Honor! The plaintiff would 516 00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:33,260 like to recall Lisa Copeland. 517 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,840 Isn't it possible, even probable, Luis Federo murdered Cindy Black? 518 00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:45,839 She was a prostitute. She knew hundreds of men. Any one of them could have done 519 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,330 it. Miss Black was beaten to death the same way Federo murdered before. 520 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,499 So? Prostitutes die that way all the time. Did Luis Federo kill all of them? 521 00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:58,419 you at least notify local law enforcement that Federo might be a 522 00:30:58,420 --> 00:31:03,379 suspect? No. We conducted our own thorough investigation and concluded 523 00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:04,099 was innocent. 524 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:05,780 You conducted an investigation? 525 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,319 Without access to the body, the coroner's report, or any other 526 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,860 was absolutely no hard evidence tying Vedero to this murder. 527 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:17,410 There was plenty of circumstantial evidence. 528 00:31:17,411 --> 00:31:21,059 You knew Black was probably turning tricks with Vedero. That doesn't mean he 529 00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:24,779 killed her. That she was probably selling him drugs and that he had a 530 00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:28,739 violence. But you kept it all to yourself to protect the credibility of 531 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:31,979 witness. Objection. This is a speech. Another murder might have tainted his 532 00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:35,820 testimony, and that could have jeopardized your drug cases. Move on, 533 00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:43,059 So, in spite of Cindy Black's murder, you never considered removing Vedero 534 00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:43,779 the program? 535 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:47,460 As I said, we'd cleared him of any wrongdoing. 536 00:31:47,461 --> 00:31:49,739 It was all part of the bargain, wasn't it? 537 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:54,299 Two weeks after Cindy Black's murder, Vedero kept his end. He testified for 538 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:55,350 in the Ramirez trial. 539 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,820 Yes. And two months after that, he beat Catherine Phillips to death. 540 00:32:00,821 --> 00:32:05,239 How does it feel, Miss Copeland, knowing you could have prevented her murder? 541 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,380 Objection, Miss Lamb! 542 00:32:06,381 --> 00:32:07,359 That's enough. 543 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,620 I have minimal questions. 544 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,580 This is how you deal with things? 545 00:32:15,581 --> 00:32:19,059 You just don't return phone calls? Hey, after what I saw, there's nothing... He 546 00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:20,200 was hurting, Jonathan. 547 00:32:20,201 --> 00:32:23,239 He needed... And his pain justifies you sleeping with him? I was not sleeping 548 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,099 with him. You were in the same bed. He spent the night with you. You know his 549 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,590 state of mind. For God's... I don't care how much he hurts. You understand? 550 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,139 I'm not gonna be with anybody whose relationship with somebody else, 551 00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:37,519 the hell it's supposed to be, has them winding up in bed together. You selfish 552 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,740 son of a bitch! You got that right, baby. 553 00:32:39,741 --> 00:32:44,039 When it comes to me being involved with somebody, I'm the most self -protecting, 554 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,750 self -centered bastard you'll ever meet. I'm leaving. 555 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,860 You hurt me! 556 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:53,140 And I'm not gonna get in any deeper with you and end up being hurt worse. 557 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:56,460 What happened last night is not going to happen again. 558 00:32:56,461 --> 00:32:57,659 Yes, it will. 559 00:32:57,660 --> 00:33:01,399 Don't you understand? You two still love each other. You need each other. That's 560 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,960 not true. It is. It is. 561 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,730 It's true. 562 00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:06,200 And I can't handle it. 563 00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:09,440 I can't be in this anymore. I'm sorry. 564 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,520 Are you saying we're finished? 565 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,120 Yeah, we're finished. 566 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,880 I'll be right with you, honey. 567 00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:30,030 Morning. 568 00:33:31,491 --> 00:33:32,979 I 569 00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:44,759 gave 570 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:50,299 the lifestyle correspondent a chance. I gave the media critic a chance. I gave 571 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:51,440 every one of your... 572 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:54,760 Club -footed mutants. A chance. What did they do? 573 00:33:54,761 --> 00:33:55,879 Embarrass me. 574 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,360 I will not stand by and watch him flush this show down the toilet. 575 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,080 I put many years into it. 576 00:34:04,911 --> 00:34:06,959 Tough night? 577 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,280 Bad morning. I think I just lost my innocence. 578 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,629 Oh, leave it to me, honey. You'll be a virgin again in no time. 579 00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:14,280 Life in the war zone, huh? 580 00:34:14,281 --> 00:34:16,178 Is it always this bad around here? 581 00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:19,638 Oh, Tatman and Ken have been gunning for each other all season. See, Tatman 582 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,489 wants Ken out. So, naturally, everybody Ken brings to the show has to be wrong. 583 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,060 That explains a lot. 584 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,220 Yeah, but don't take it personally. 585 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,400 I guess it happens. 586 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:32,910 Wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. 587 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,980 Arnie, baby, you are innocent. 588 00:34:34,981 --> 00:34:37,218 Don't you know there are no accidents? 589 00:34:37,219 --> 00:34:38,218 What do you mean? 590 00:34:38,219 --> 00:34:40,020 You were God's gift to Tatman. 591 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,130 Everything he needed to force a face -off with Ken. 592 00:34:43,469 --> 00:34:46,170 Trust me on this. He did not just drop in his lap. 593 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:47,650 Somebody planned this. 594 00:34:48,969 --> 00:34:51,469 You watch. If Tatman leaves first, he lost. 595 00:34:51,949 --> 00:34:53,810 Now, if Ken leaves first, he's gone. 596 00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:58,349 But if Network leaves, status quo. They live to fight another day. And if Ken 597 00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:00,210 goes, I go. At the speed of light. 598 00:35:00,211 --> 00:35:03,149 Everybody around here know about this except me. 599 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:06,349 Everybody feels for you because we all know you're a nice guy and you don't 600 00:35:06,350 --> 00:35:07,400 deserve it. 601 00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:15,140 Sorry, honey. 602 00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:16,960 You're toast. 603 00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:22,509 How can the government claim they are not responsible for the murder of 604 00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:23,449 Catherine Phillips? 605 00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:26,909 Because they didn't strike the blows that killed her? Because they didn't 606 00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:28,650 brutally rape her before she died? 607 00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:31,800 No, the government did not commit those horrible crimes. 608 00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:37,429 But they made it possible for Luis Federo to commit them. They took a 609 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:41,989 criminal... They gave him his freedom, and they protected him better than they 610 00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:46,069 protected the innocent people around him. The government had two chances to 611 00:35:46,070 --> 00:35:49,470 prevent the death of Catherine Phillips, but they chose not to. 612 00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:53,869 They knew Vedero was back on drugs according to their own rules. He should 613 00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:56,650 been thrown out of the program then, but he wasn't. 614 00:35:57,510 --> 00:36:02,469 Even when the U .S. attorney knew Vedero might have murdered a woman, still they 615 00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:03,520 did nothing. 616 00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:08,149 They kept Louis Federo in the witness protection program, and it cost 617 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:12,609 Phillips her life. Why does the government want the circumstances of her 618 00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:13,449 kept secret? 619 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:18,529 Because the government was grossly negligent, Your Honor. It acted with 620 00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:23,489 disregard for the lives of its citizens, but for that negligence, Catherine 621 00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:24,990 Phillips would still be alive. 622 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:31,760 Your Honor. 623 00:36:32,330 --> 00:36:36,609 If you have any doubt what the drug trade is doing to this country, you have 624 00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:40,400 only to look at our inner cities or any suburb or small town. It's everywhere. 625 00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:45,090 It's a national disaster that touches every part of our society. 626 00:36:45,310 --> 00:36:50,609 It drains our criminal justice system, fills our prisons, robs families of 627 00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:53,630 ones, delivers babies in agony and addicted. 628 00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:57,410 It destroys thousands, maybe millions of people's lives. 629 00:36:57,411 --> 00:37:01,749 Without witnesses like Luis Federo, we have no hope of ever stopping this drug 630 00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:04,570 trade. It's a risk that must be taken. 631 00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:11,630 This is a battle whose sole purpose is to protect the people of this nation, 632 00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:13,490 people like Catherine Phillips. 633 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:17,390 The last thing we ever wanted was for this war to claim her. 634 00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:22,530 But the sad fact is, in any war, there will be casualties. 635 00:37:23,091 --> 00:37:30,199 I know you don't want to talk about it, so I will just do all the yapping and 636 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,120 you could, you know, maybe just listen. 637 00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:36,100 I do love and need Zoe. 638 00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:39,840 More than I admit to her, even myself. 639 00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:42,750 Hell of a lot more than I feel like admitting to you. 640 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,760 Maybe you love her more. I doubt it, but could be. 641 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,780 I know I know her more than you do. 642 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,290 In and out of marriage, I know her pretty good in knowing her. 643 00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:56,260 I ain't ever seen her so happy. 644 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,300 Since she started hanging around with you. 645 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:04,239 That's part of the reason why I feel so threatened is because you and her feel 646 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,279 right. 647 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,959 It's not that simple, Tommy. Oh, yeah, it's definitely that simple. You love 648 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,640 her. She loves you. 649 00:38:10,641 --> 00:38:12,039 It's simple. 650 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,480 Don't let go of her, Jonathan. 651 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:16,940 I could never take your place, man. Oh, you don't want my place. 652 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:18,770 You want yours. 653 00:38:18,771 --> 00:38:22,479 Tom, don't you see part of the reason you're even here right now is that you 654 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,080 still love her. Yeah, I do. 655 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,219 And part of really loving somebody is wanting what is best for that person. 656 00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:33,480 here now because I know what's best for Zoe is you. 657 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,360 I know you're hurt. 658 00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:37,340 But let that woman get away. 659 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:39,640 Then you'll know her. 660 00:38:45,231 --> 00:38:51,319 There's no question that the government was negligent here. 661 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,959 Any parent would treat their child's drug use with more concern than that 662 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,720 by those supervising Luis Vedero. 663 00:38:58,460 --> 00:39:03,539 But in establishing the Witness Protection Program, Congress failed to 664 00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:06,730 guidelines restricting the Justice Department's operation. 665 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,999 From that, I must conclude that they intended to allow full discretion in 666 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,660 the selection and supervision of these witnesses. 667 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:21,599 Under the law as it exists, negligence, even this gross negligence, isn't enough 668 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,680 to sustain a claim. 669 00:39:22,681 --> 00:39:27,039 And the plaintiff has not shown that the government intended to cause Mrs. 670 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,019 Phillips' death. 671 00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:31,240 Therefore, I'm granting the defendant's motion to dismiss. 672 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:35,999 As for this gag order, I see nothing in this record that jeopardizes the Witness 673 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,639 Protection Program or threatens the lives of its participants. 674 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,219 So I'm denying the government's request for a permanent injunction. The order is 675 00:39:43,220 --> 00:39:46,590 hereby lifted, and this transcript made part of the public record. 676 00:39:46,591 --> 00:39:48,459 The parties are free to talk to the press. 677 00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:50,750 Your Honor, we move for a stay pending appeal. 678 00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:53,730 Opposed. Your Honor, we've argued this over and over again. 679 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,160 I have no choice, Miss Lamb. 680 00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:56,740 The stay is granted. 681 00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:59,890 Until a further ruling, the gag order will remain in place. 682 00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:01,420 This case is adjourned. 683 00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:10,550 Arnie! 684 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,370 Welcome back. 685 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:14,400 I heard what happened. 686 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,020 I think they were idiots to let you go. 687 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,880 No. More like I was the idiot. 688 00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:21,420 I don't follow you, babe. 689 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,060 I didn't do my homework. 690 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,100 I let you stroke me, pump me full of smoke. 691 00:40:26,101 --> 00:40:28,879 I don't know what you're talking about, but it sounds sexy. 692 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,979 Listen, can we continue this tomorrow? Brooks, Tapman is a client of yours. 693 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:35,639 I didn't mention that. You maneuvered Ken Feldman into hiring me so Tapman 694 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,650 use me against him. Use me as a weapon to get Ken Feldman fired. 695 00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:39,710 You set me up. 696 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,210 So? 697 00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:43,030 So? 698 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:44,550 You... You used me. 699 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:47,300 You manipulated me. That's right. 700 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,380 I manipulated you into taking a $600 ,000 a year job. 701 00:40:51,381 --> 00:40:55,079 They'll cash you out at 50 cents on the dollar for the first option period. 702 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,580 You'll walk with 150 grand for two weeks' work. 703 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,450 Where are your damages, Arnie? I was humiliated on network television. 704 00:41:01,451 --> 00:41:03,549 Damage to the ego heals fast. Take it from me. 705 00:41:03,550 --> 00:41:04,749 Damage to your reputation? 706 00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:05,809 Don't flatter yourself. 707 00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:08,329 Two weeks from now, people won't even remember you were on. That is not the 708 00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:12,149 point. By the way, KCYB called yesterday. I told them you might 709 00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:13,429 interested in coming back. 710 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:16,370 I got them to bump your salary 15%, plus perks. 711 00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:17,740 Deal me with the mail. 712 00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:20,280 Got to fly. 713 00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:21,620 Ciao, babe. 714 00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:44,680 I'm sorry. 715 00:41:44,850 --> 00:41:47,200 Don't tell me you're sorry. Tell me you're back. 716 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:09,300 I have conditions. 717 00:42:09,301 --> 00:42:10,409 I know. 718 00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:11,930 No ex -husbands in the bed. 719 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:15,440 And I don't want him hiding in the bathroom with a gun either. 720 00:42:17,470 --> 00:42:18,970 He is a part of my life. 721 00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:21,290 You have to remember that, Jonathan. 722 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:25,170 Yeah. And what you need to keep in mind is so am I. 723 00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:27,120 Right? 724 00:42:48,851 --> 00:42:50,819 Pardon me. 725 00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:51,920 We locked the appeal. 726 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:53,560 The gag order's permanent. 727 00:42:54,581 --> 00:42:57,859 They're getting pretty restless. 728 00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:59,200 Give us a minute, please. 729 00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:07,420 I'm not backing down. 730 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,700 I want people to know what those bastards did. 731 00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:14,579 You would be defying a court order, Mr. Phillips. If you speak to those 732 00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:17,040 reporters, you'll be held in contempt. 733 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,490 I don't care. 734 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:19,810 Let him put me in jail. 735 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:23,360 I miss my wife, Mr. McKenzie. 736 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,100 I want her death to mean something. 737 00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:28,460 I'm tired of playing by the rules. 738 00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:31,400 But I understand why you have to. 739 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,510 If you say so, I'll talk to them somewhere else. 740 00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:37,040 I can't answer for the phone. 741 00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:44,159 Douglas and I feel that our risk here is minimal as long as Miss Lamb doesn't 742 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,210 participate. 743 00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:47,670 Well... 744 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,340 You've done everything you can within the law. 745 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:14,180 If he wants to go beyond that, that's up to him, but you have no choice. 746 00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:17,850 Ladies and gentlemen, I want to tell you how my wife died. 747 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,699 She was raped and beaten to death by a criminal that the United States 748 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,380 government put back on the street. 749 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,800 His name is Luis Vedero. 750 00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:30,480 You made the right decision. 751 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:36,029 Then tell me, man, why do I feel like such a... 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